Broken Social Scene Presents Kevin Drew
Thereís a lot of talk about pressure in the lyrics. What do you feel are major pressures?
I think instant gratification is a massive pressure. Fear, obviously, is a simple one to notice. I also think following traditions make our generations turn out to be failures. Because weíre following traditions from a time when they werenít dealing with everything we are now. I find that we havenít adapted well to the new world weíre living in, in terms of relationships and marriage, all of these things.
Are the lyrics improvised?
Mostly. A couple songs were written and everything else was improvised. You can hear that Iím not quite finishing sentences and we couldnít re-do it because of the feel. You just canít fuck with the feel and thatís the whole reason why we make this stuff in the first place; they just have to remain that way. We turned the vocals up on this one. People say "Youíve got to turn up the vocalsĒ and I just look at them and Iím like, "What do you want?Ē
Iím not hoping for much except that they use it for their own personal use. Itís interesting you ask that because I was kind of thinking, "I have to start answering questions like this now.Ē So for a question like, "What do I hope listeners get out of it?Ē I just hope it makes them feel closer to the idea that itís okay to be whoever you are. It doesnít matter if youíve failed or fucked up or you hurt or youíre hurting or whatever. Thatís the whole last song; itís going to be hard when we get to the end, but donít forget what you felt. Itís a strange record because Iím left alone to talk about it. Itís not that I donít want to, I just donít have a desire to. Iím going to Japan tomorrow to do all these interviews and Iím realising that I donít really want to talk about it. Itís kind of weird.
Have you had a longer history with singing or is it something youíve gotten into later on?I got into it with You Forgot it in People basically, thatís when I first started singing. Brendan Canning and Evan Cranley were the two guys who said, "You start singing and weíll get behind you.Ē With this one I just kind of winged it; I didnít really think about it much. And itís funny because some people say, "I canít hear what youíre saying,Ē but itís because Iím just making it up on the spot.
It seems like you treat vocals more as part of the whole picture.
Itís part of the whole picture; itís part of the song! I have absolutely no desire to have voices and the music behind them, even though thatís the way it goes in traditional records.
The pop format?
Well, thatís just the way right now, I donít think it was the way back then and definitely within indie rock youíre not supposed to hear them! Donít tell me the fuckiní lyrics, man!
Parts of this album remind me of the ambient layering of KC Accidental, particularly "Gangbang Suicide.ĒYeah, itís a bit of a "choose your ownĒ adventure record. They all are ó the records Iíve always been involved with ó because we like to do whatever we want, then when we try to fit it in.
What time period were these songs written during?
Basically between 2005 and 2007, like February to February.
Was that going on concurrently with the Broken Social Scene recording?
There were tons of other recordings but I kind of popped two out and started to focus more on them.
How did you decide which songs would go under each banner?
Well, itís interesting, a song like "Big Love,Ē that was an Ohad and Charles song that I sang on, and then as the record was ending they both were kind of like, "We should just put this on the album,Ē you know, be my Matrix producers. And I loved it for sure. So thatís a really interesting aspect where I think Ohad was working on that in í04 and "Broke Me UpĒ was actually recorded in í04. But itís done through a period of time and itís a personal fucking record. Iím really looking forward to putting it out and then just moving on, makiní another one, keep going; I want to get back into the Social Scene world. I want to start making crazy music again. It was nice to go off and do this, to just have a bit of a break from all the craziness.
Is David Newfeld involved in any of this recording?
He plays on it a bit. He plays some bongos and acoustic on one of the tracks. I mean the guest list is like this [gestures to suggest size] on this album, I really should release it. I thought I would, but then people were talking to me and I was like, [apprehensive lip sucking sound].
Itís a curiosity.
Itís a curiosity. Well, Mascis is on there, obviously, as you can hear, Spiral Stairs, from Pavement and Preston School of Industry, with Tom Cochrane on the same track.
Tomís singing on "Lucky Ones!Ē
Tom needs more attention.
Yeah, he does.
Who and what were some of the inspirations behind this album?
It was mainly an internal thing, just deciding whatever came out at the moment was what it was about. I never sort of thought Iíd make the "you and IĒ record like I did but it seemed to just happen. Itís not really the greatest thing to go and make personal albums. I always said to Ohad, "the worst thing about this record is going to be putting it out, ícause it was just such an amazing process [the creation]. But the talking about it, and the judging and all that stuff, itís you know, youíve got to have a thick skin.
How has the increased media exposure affected your life and how you make your art?
Thereís no media exposure. Itís like people in Toronto who know this music scene obviously who know who I am. We have a following, weíve got a good set of people and thatís about it. Iím running into kids now who are like 20, 22 years old and they were 14, 15 when You Forgot It In People came out. And thatís the record. I donít meet any Social Scene fans that are like, "Hey, man, I really like the last one.Ē Itís all like, "You Forgot It In People, You Forgot It In People.Ē
Are you concerned with the ecological impact being a performer has?
Yeah, of course. Iím flying to Tokyo tomorrow; itís my fourth fucking time. I fly all the fucking time. All I do is fly. And then if Iím not flying, Iím in a bus. The buses you can start to get a handle on, there are a lot of buses out there that are environmentally in check, but the flyingÖ You have to start to counteract it and there are ways of doing things I really havenít gotten my shit together quite yet to do.
Any predictions about the future of civilization at the moment?
I actually believe itís going to get better. I think inevitably even the stupidest people in the world are going to have to say, "wait a second,Ē ícause theyíre just going to see it falling apart in front of them. And I think like most people you canít really accept it until you see it, feel it or go through it. Weíve had a very big push in the last three years about, "okay, wait a second, the worldís dying.Ē And "wait a second, that war thatís happening, that actually is shit,Ē and people are like, "Itís not shit! Itís not shit! Itís notÖ oh what the fuck!?! Whatíre we doing over there, Jimmy?Ē So I think the start was Mother Nature revealing the world was fucked with the hurricane that went through New Orleans, which was a big point. And also the way the country reacted to that, so I thought that was the impact of where there was a shift in peopleís opinions, and itís been going on since. Itís like that set the dominos going. So Iíve got a lot of hope. I just saw Who Killed the Electric Car? ó itís so fucking depressing and right at the end after all these infuriating conversations these people still are like, "Ahh, donít worry about it, itís going to come back, itís going to be amazing.Ē And I couldnít believe they were ending it by wrapping it up with these people who fought so hard and lost still standing there saying, "Donít worry, itís coming back.Ē
In regards to the promo clip on the Arts and Crafts site, what kind of porn goes best with cereal?
You know what? That was actually people fucking through the wall. But the best kind of porn that goes with cereal is the tender kind. Tender cereal porn, you cannot watch the hardcore.
How have you perceived the evolution of music in the past seven or so years?
I think it won. I think the underdogs came out strikingly amazing. I think the home studios put a lot of things into perspective. I think the Internet created a whole new method of distributing sound and peopleís bands. I think the 12-year olds who have their own huge critic music blogs are running the world and I think it just made it so thereíre no bullies anymore, anyone can do anything. The unfortunate thing that happened was that all the rulebooks got thrown out. Remember how like even four years ago you couldnít do music for a commercial? And then bands slowly started and now itís like no one gives a shit. You can do whatever you want and no oneís going to attack you. I always found that funny. There was a serious rulebook when I started ten years ago and now I canít even find it. I canít even find a photocopy of it. Itís just gone like somebody burned it. Did you see that Timberlake fuckiní McDonaldís commercial? They literally drop the fucking Timberlake vinyl with the McDonaldís logo in the middle and there are people roller-skating hand in hand in front and that song, I like that song! When I hear it Iím like, "damn, turn it up.Ē But then suddenly Iím watching McDonaldís and hear it again and Iím like, "itís still a good song, I guess.Ē
Itíd be nice to see a little more personal integrity.
Iíd like to see it but I donít think thatís part of it anymore. I think itís just people hear your music on these commercials and go buy your records. Itís no different than radio. Thatís what commercials have become. Itís no different than licensing to film.
Do you have any plans to revisit instrumental music?
Yeah, time to shut the fuck up, so I look forward to it. I donít know what happened, you know? I started singing and then things got really weird. Iím not shooting for gold; I never really was. I always told the boys and girls in Social Scene that this band, no matter what your other bands are doing, are going for the Sonic Youth career. I want to be 65 and rocking out and I want the peaks and valleys to be very smooth. Iím not going for the instant gratification, Iím going for the longevity of trying to please people and make good music.
I think people really appreciate the music you make partly because you donít take them for granted and actually challenge the listener.
I know but I donít really think people want a challenge anymore. I think you get a couple shots and thereís so much music that itís just like, "You know what? I donít need this; I donít want to work to enjoy this record.Ē And god knows Iím guilty of that. Iíll hear an album and be like, "That sucks, put on Deerhoof or whatever,Ē and thatíll come on and Iíll be like, "This is good, all right!Ē Then you hear another one and youíre like, "err, I donít know.Ē
Itíd be great to see another show with all the Social Scene-related bands together like those couple of Leeís Palace shows.
We will. I think everyoneís just got to go and reach these levels of where they feel okay about it and then we can go back and do it, and the fans can establish how it comes across, but weíll all be able to get back and play together.
Have any recent artists blown your mind?
I love that Colleen woman from France. Her new recordís amazing. I got sideswiped by the Nationalís The Boxer record, oh man! I felt like I was running through the rain, going to find my love, and those records are important. I like the new Rick White album. Thatís a saucy little number. There have been a bunch of records recently. Iíve been listening to the new Collette record, trying to get my head around the sequencing. Oh, and Lightning Dust. Thatís a fucking cool record; itís pretty wild. Theyíre pretty cool. That Black Mountain posse, man, theyíre kind of untouchable. They put out stuff and itís amazing.
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